If you just play LFS you can build a new PC with decent performance for about 600-700 euros.

Your very bigh problem is slow CPU and swap your current one with some a bit higher model would not help very much really as AthlonXP architecture is very old and slow now.

Whats your budget?
you could at least your hardrive,DVD drive and maybe PSU if its enough powerfull.

For what you need the PC exactly.Just for LFS and other office(excel,world,music,video playing)?no other games?

Last edited by DEVIL 007, Thu 26 Jul 2007, 11:13.

Get this one if you motherboard has AGP slot graphic card:

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/ ... p;catid=56&subcat=403

In case you have PCI-E graphic slot(dont mix with PCI slot) buy this one:

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/ ... p;catid=56&subcat=404

I have same processor and 7900Gt which has same performance as the above cards and its match perfectly with this processor in term of performance.My 7900Gt has very audible cooler as most of the 7900GT/GS cards thought.


Both has very quiet cooler so you will not hear that card in your system.
I would recoment to upgrade the PSU thought:

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/ ... ;catid=123&subcat=484

or this one which could you yu later for upgrade.Its overkill for now but at good price:

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/ ... ;catid=123&subcat=148

P.S:Jakg sorry for my silence in couple of last weeks but I have just finished moving to my new flat.

MSI version of ATI X1950PRO has customer cooler which is much more quite that the one on 8800GTS or GTX.

Basically you will not hear you have that card in your case.

Austin,

that CPU & mobo combination is not what will really help you.
You graphic card is more then LFS need so this is not youir problem at all.

E2140 is in games equal to A64 X2 3600 or 3800+ which are dual core K8 processors from AMD.LFS cant utilise dual core power.

The better buy would be now something from C2D E6x50 family as these chips are now really sold with low price and faster then E6x00 family.

For example E6550 cost less the E6600 but its same fast.

This all really depened how much money you willing to spend.Give me the budget you have and I will recommned you something...

change the 1st booting device to CD/DVD rom.

Hi,
the system looks fine and the PSU should be sufficient unless its overrated as the whole system would not suck more then 150W at full load.

You dont need the extra graphic card as the GPU is intergated already in the chipset so withouth that 6200TC you save some heat in that small case and less energy will be drain from the PSU.

Also buy some SATA DVD writer as you will save wiring in the case with SATA data cable so the airflow will be better.The Pata cables are so huge.You need to only check if the motherboard support booting from SATA drive.

its going around for a while

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=25689

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuch ... intel/showdoc.aspx?i=3012

Hi Nikimere,

if you want to upgrade then with untill 22nd July - 2 nd August.
Intell will come with new line of C2D processors which will be at the same speed much cheaper or you can get at that time for the same price faster CPU. Its worth to wait in my opinion.

Hi,

there are several version of AGP slots and some older motherboards doesnt suppport AGP cards with newever versions so the PC can lock-up and freeze sometimes.

I couldnt find anything better now but looks here:

http://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch000308.htm
EDIT:this link is better
http://www.interfacebus.com/Design_Connector_AGP.html

I think this might be your problem that yor motherboard is just AGP version 1.0

None for LFS unless you run many,many programs in background.

For some other games it might bring some performance so there will be no need to create big swap file on HDD due to limited RAM memory but dont expect miracles.Altought 1GB for windows XP I call optimal unless you play some very new games but I doubt you can with your config anyway.

Quote from Disposable :

lol i must be doing something wrong here... I have 2x7800GT on SLI and did an FPS test on Aston with no AI (same resolution as the guy in the 1st post: 1024x768 / 4xAA / 16xAF). No V-Sync and i could only top 170 fps? weird... Maybe my processor is the bottleneck (Athlon 64 X2 Dual core 3800+), cause i get the exact same fps with 1600x1200 @ 100Hz / 8xAA / 16xAF.

Thats really weird.
I have almost the same processor but only single core.Well for LFs it really doesnt matter how many cores you have it can utilize only one of them.

Mine is running at 2Ghz.Sometimes SLI doesnt work well and might even cause a FPS drop so try to test it without SLI.Also be aware that 7800GT is slower then 7900GT.7800GTX is same fast as 7900GT.

1)No functionality lost
2)Only in case the Vista was not activated yet on that tablet but its usually done so the customers dont have to hassle with that.Microsoft licence politic is somehow shitty in my eyes.

You dont need 4GB of memory now thats for sure unless you work with huge files in photoshop or in 3D rendering programs.2GB is fine for at least 1.5 year.

There are going some nice deals regarding 8800GTS cards which are not really 400dollars!!

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ ... &CMP=OTC-pr1c3grabb3r

http://www.buy.com/retail/prod ... gory=Comp&dcaid=15890

I would get the 640MB version for future games and especially for your resolution. 320MB might be sometimes not enough especially for some games later on.

I know it might sound strange together with my signature but I had the Vista installed here and it went away after like a week so I am back with XP.

There are several reason but mainly it was due Vista is rousources hog - I dont see reason for 500-700MB of ram for what it brings over XP.The UI and UAC thingy.This is so confusing and must be especially for new users.Also the perfomance lost in games is sometimes too big and I dont think its either NVIDIA or ATI we should blame.We know who...

Vista nothing bring to me regarding usuablity,security(the integrated firewall etc are worst option then the freeware I use here and) and productivity.The pronouced new file system which sound [romising didnt get into Vista etc.Just wanted to let you know that - sorry I was so brief and for the offtopic.

Vista - NO WAY.
Just my opinion.

thats a very good deal.
You would save with that around 200-250 USD.Basically you get "top" motherboard for free.

no

I have somewhere on my PC at home a program which you can use to test your connection with your mate.

You can choose what ever port you want even simulate LFS port it use and see if you are getting shaped on the higher ports or not.

I will post later when I will get back to home.

Quote from thisnameistaken :

Just FYI: Those "bad" behaviours don't happen on S2 servers. Pretty much none of the anti-social behaviour you get on demo servers happens on S2 servers, so try not to let those people colour your perception of the sim.

I cant agree on that.Some idi*** showing up even on S2 servers but overally S2 servers are way much more clean places to race then the anarchy on demo servers.

I know what you mean and its a bit annoying that V-SYNC on doesnt help this.

It does the same here but only in TV view.

well they said they dont shape protocols but what if they shape ports?
As far as I know shaping is done on ports and doesnt matter protocol you use.

Maybe I am too picky but I know well how ISP playing "games" with home users.

Had my experience with some of the previous providers.Traffic and testing was fine over standart ports but when it went to ports over 1000 which are well known for some non standard usuage they were shaping these ports like mad because they were trying to throttle p2p connection which LFS is NOT.

well I have some doubts that there is no way to blame LFS 3D engine but maybe thats just me.I think Scawen focus more on the other staff and the 3D engine need definatley revision/upgrade at least to DX9. Instancing could help with less calls,maybe there is also too much overdraw which raise calls as wel...and maybe there is more things.

I understand when there is more object there is also more calls but sometimes the drop doesnt prove more calls.I could find some examples...

First its not LFS issue at all.
Vista should simply recogniye that CPU,ram,HDD,graphic card is used and not moving the PC to any powersaving mode.

This doesnt happen in XP so I would blame Vista for that....it really makes me confused that Vista is juts piece of crap software with so many bugs.

Sorry but this is useless improvement suggestion.I dont get it why everybody should adjust to Microsoft Vista crap.They should wake up and fix their crap OS.

Call Microsoft helpline and expect their BS its not their fault.
And sorry I cant help you.

Quote from wien :

I don't think the physics calculations change apart from having to simulate less cars in low-res physics if the multiplayer draw distance is very low.

Higher graphics detail means more, and more detailed, objects drawn. That means the CPU needs to do more graphics state changes (switch materials, vertex buffers, blending and so on) and also issue more draw calls to the graphics card. This all happens in the graphics driver where it is queued up until the graphics card is ready to handle it. That, of course, increases CPU load (quite significantly).

EDIT: Heh, just noticed this thread was brought back from the dead...

vertex buffering is done via GPU in LFS a long time but it seems the 3D engine of LFS has very much calls to API which slows rendering.Something uneffectiove in the 3D LFS engine seems to be....as it shows less details is less CPU internsive but Looking at temp of my GPU comparing to other intensive games shows that it must be very unused in LFS. Thats really odd.As I said with more object/details there is exccesive usuage of calls to API.

Well the problem that only Supreme commander can used multiple cores but how much.there is not so much gain from single to dual core and vice versa.

Untill the upcoming games can show a gain from 2nd core for example at least 50 percent that its only BS from developers how the upcoming titles can utilize multicore CPUs.

Tthe software development in games is nowhere really close to take the advantage of multicore CPUs....sad.